Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How “long”, and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the Lizards, the Grays, created cybergenetic probes?

A: Time travelers, therefore, “Time is ongoing.”

Q: (L) Okay, recently I read a couple of books J gave me, Knight in Shining Armor, and Replay. Both of these books described time travel… [And both are great reading!]

A: No, not finished with answer. Do you understand the gravity of last response?

Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads… (T) They can set up the past to create a future they want. (D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need… (L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea…

A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?

Q: (L) That’s not good. If they were to move back through space-time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?

A: Has over and over and over.

Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly?

A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!!

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August 12, 1995

Q: (L) My first question is: What is the source of the Vedas? The Hindu system of philosophy?

A: There is more than one source. It came into being as a result of meditation.

Q: (L) And what people were responsible for this information?

A: Caucasian.

Q: (L) What period of time were the Vedas received?

A: Varying bits and pieces of information, which later was organized into packages, labeled as it is.

Q: (L) From what realm did this meditated information issue?

A: The realm of the subconscious mind.

Q: (L) Is any of the Vedic information that which was given to man by extra-terrestrials?

A: Not as you would define it.

Q: (L) From what types of beings, or what level of density did this information issue from?

A: Third.

Q: (L) So it is a third density interpretation of reality. What is the percentage of accuracy of the information given in the Vedas? Overall?

A: Accurate at what level? That’s an extremely difficult question to answer as accuracy in determining such things as perceiving the universe and living one’s life is entirely open to interpretation as anyone can resolve accuracy by relating to the parallel universe, which is appropriate for the information given. And, as we have stated in the past, it is possible to create parallel universes through thought energy, and once they are created naturally, they correspond naturally to the interpretation given for them.

Q: (L) Is there any benefit to be obtained through the use of mantras?

A: Especially when the mind says there is. Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind. This is something you will understand more closely when you reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you please. In your current state, you have the misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and therein lies your difficulty with finite physical existence.

Q: (L) Close enough. Is it true that recitation of mantras can affect spirit release or exorcism?

A: If you please.

Q: (L) Last week, the remark was made, regarding spirit release and exorcism that if it is done properly, by the right person, that there are no side effects or eventualities that would bring detrimental conditions to the individuals and location involved. What was meant by “done correctly”? What is the correct format or mode for exorcism?

A: Correct manner involves honesty and understanding that one has complete faith and awareness of the activities pursued. In other words, when one performs an act, which they proclaim to be having a desired result, and they do not have faith in their own actions as, in fact, producing the desired result, then the effort will collapse because of their lack of faith. Whereas when one has complete faith and multi-density understanding, their activities are indeed truth and useful as prescribed and this is the correct way to pursue them.

Q: (L) Isn’t faith a difficult commodity to acquire?

A: Not at all. When you have found something of truth you will receive demonstrations that locks in your faith.

Q: (L) Earlier today, while talking with this fellow, Ram, the Vedic astrologer, he proposed that the Vedic idea of who and what the Lizard Beings were was correct and that this is the activation of the sexual principle, or kundalini within us. Any kind of UFO or alien activity is merely the reflection of what is inside all of us. Is this a correct assessment?

A: Part of the answer to that question, if you refer back to the answers to the earlier questions, is of a similar nature. But, in truth, the best way to most adequately answer those questions is to ask yourself what do you believe, based on the knowledge that you have collected and have been given.

Q: (L) Well, I sometimes wonder if they are not part of ourselves, in a parallel universe, and they emerge into our world and interact with us in a negative way. And, that the stories of alien—human interaction are really just stories of human performance of mechanical operations, guided by negative aspects of their own being in another dimension or density. Would this not be a distinct possibility?

A: Not in the sense that you are thinking. Remember, it is always wise to review all the previously gathered information whenever any new ideas appear before you. This is true not only in this particular instance, but also all others as well. For example, how often would mere thought patterns, or realities emerging from a parallel universe, appear in desert locations and be retrieved by third density beings for study in the third density realm? Now, if indeed you believe that this has happened, and it HAS, one must contemplate the meaning of such and how it relates to one’s proposal that the whole issue involves much higher levels of density on the etheric plane, and, or, inter dimensional capabilities that cannot be measured within the realm of third density. These theories, certainly, are part of the answer, but merely a part of the answer, and none of them represents the entire answer. And we caution very strongly that you avoid falling into the trap of believing too strongly in any one explanation that appears, as this too, is a form of attack which can lead to destructive consequences.

Q: (L) So, there are actual, material, alien craft that have been captured or retrieved by the government and studied?

A: Do you have any doubt of this?

Q: (L) Well, sometimes I wonder if the whole thing is cooked up by the government just to make us all crazy!

A: Well that’s an interesting concept, but we can assure you, that that is not, in any way, correct.

Q: (L) Well, if these craft emerge into our reality from fourth density, as I assume some of them do, how do they stay here? Do they become absolutely physically material and do they remain here?

A: If they malfunction in third density, they then become frozen in third density. Very simple.

Q: (L) And, does the same hold true for the beings?

A: Precisely.

Q: (L) So, in a very real sense, they are very real and physical…

A: They are very real and physical in fourth density, too. The difference is that fourth density physicality is not the same as third density physicality. But that is not to say that there is no physicality in fourth density.

In order to completely remove all attachment to physicality, one must reach sixth density or higher. Everything below that involves some aspect of physicality or attachment to physicality, as in fifth density, the contemplation zone, which is simply a recycling of those from 1st through 4th densities, in the etheric plane. They are brought back down and recycled into one of the physical realms.

Each density level, one through four, involves lesser and lesser physicality, as you know it, but nevertheless there still is physicality. Third density physicality, however, remains constant on third density.

When a being or a craft or an instrument of any kind manufactured or conceived in fourth density arrives in third density, it is able to navigate through third density in fourth density reality. However, when it malfunctions, whatever is left of it remains in third density.

Those reports of objects or of any physical structure whatsoever, be it a being or a construct, disappearing from third density to fourth density, in each and every case, involves an object or a being, or a construct, which is not in the process of malfunctioning. It is still fully operational at its fourth density realm. It is merely visiting third density which has a limited capacity, as you measure time in its passage, therefore it does, indeed, remove itself naturally, at some point, to fourth density. However, if it malfunctions or is in any way broken or altered, it will remain in third density.

Q: (L) So, if someone removes an implant, the best way to keep it here would be to smash it?

A: If someone removes an implant it is no longer functioning as it was designed to function.

. . .

One question that arises is: are there any limits to these dimensions? We have already been told that densities are seven in number, and this relates in a powerful way to many ancient teachings. In his most interesting explication of this subject, The Ancient Wisdom, Geoffrey Ashe writes that his researches have indicated that the:

Magical and sacred character of the number seven … is a key to dangerous forces… If we consider seven impartially, certain facts about it become plain, and all of them suggest … a thread that is worth following.

To begin with, if there are indeed any such things as occult clues to Ancient Wisdom, the number seven looks as if it could qualify. Two major sciences did emerge from magical systems, which, in their Western forms, were grounded on seven. Astronomy emerged from astrology, chemistry from alchemy; and astrology and alchemy were mystically linked by this number. (emphasis added)

For more than two thousand years astrologers worked not only with the sun, but with the moon and the five true planets known as Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Their modern heirs have tried to add the three planets discovered since, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, but the results have seldom carried conviction. For all vital purposes, Western astrology has always been a septenary system, based on the planets wandering through the signs, the Seven interpreting and channeling the Twelve.

[Laura’s note: Some say that the ancients knew that there were more planets, but they picked out the seven that really count as influences and revealed only these to the wider public.]

Western alchemy knew also seven metals. Each metal was matched to a ruling planet.

[This constant reference to the number seven] is a genuine human quirk that has no obvious motive… The frequency of seven in other contexts proves that we are confronted here with a deep-seated mental reality that deserves attention.

We still schedule our work and leisure by the seven-day week. Its stubborn survival has no logic or convenience.

Most human beings who have lived by the seven-day week, as a native inheritance, have also attuned their ears to a seven-note scale and made their music with this for many centuries. A physical fact does underlie its length. If you start from C, the next C, an octave higher, has twice the vibration-rate. But the seven steps on the way are a product of conditioning. The Chinese do not have them. Their scale consists of five notes.

So likewise with optics. We insist on regarding the spectrum as having seven colours, violet, indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange, and red. The Chinese count them differently. For them there are five colours of the rainbow.

Far back in time is a powerful pressure, which has not yet been explained. Westerners (or their cultural forebears in the nearer part of Asia) felt obliged to have seven metals, to match the planets. They felt obliged to have seven planets because… well, because of what? The number was vital, and that, for the moment, is all we can safely say. Early Iranian astrology had nine planets. So did the Hindu astrology that was derived from it. The Chinese, as in other cases, settled on five, the correct list without the sun and moon.

The list of planets made up by the Babylonians is an odd one, if you compare the bodies concerned — to give the sun and moon the same status as Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn…

The dominance of seven has thus far defeated all explainers-away. It does not yield to any known technique of psychological analysis. The reason for it seems to lie in some other direction.

It looks, in fact, as if the Babylonians chose to have seven planets because of a pre-existing mystique of the heptad. (Ashe, 1977)

Ashe tracks the number seven all over the planet, and his conclusions, considering the many clues the Cassiopaeans have given in regard to the matter, are very important. The Cassiopaean statement that there are seven levels of density, and only seven, is supported by a great body of ancient wisdom and, in fact, it may be one of the very keys to the Ancient Technology.

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Q: (L) But why Seven? What is the significance of the number seven?

A: Why not? Is there “significance” to anything?

Q: (L) Only the significance we give it, I guess.

A: And if so, what is that?

Q: (T) Well, it is interesting to me because it means there was a structure to the way things were set up. There must have been a reason it was selected this way as opposed to another way.

A: Really?

Q: (T) It didn’t just happen. Nothing just happens!

A: Who says?

Q: (L) Are you saying, essentially, that it is the way it is because things are just arbitrarily that way?

A: No, we are trying to teach you how to complete the puzzle.

Q: (T) So there is a reason it is what it is and that is something we have to figure out.

A: And you have to figure out what is reason. Much of your learning to this point is based upon assumption of definitions of reality.

Q: (L) And, all of our assumptions are completely wrong?

A: Not all. Logic is subjective.

Q: (L) Is symbolic logic as is used in mathematics subjective?

A: No.

Q: (L) But you always come up with different things using math than mentation. Okay. Well, we opened a can of worms here. (T) We do that every time. (J) Worms are us! [Laughter]

A: Ongoing project.

. . .

Q: (L) Physicists talk about multidimensional universes. The idea is that our 3-dimensional space and 1-dimensional time is an illusion of plane beings, while the true universe has more dimensions perpendicular to the above ones. Physicists have different guesses here: 5, 6, 7, 11, and 256. How many dimensions does the true universe have?

A: Not correct concept. Should be: How many universes does the “true” dimension have?

Q: (L) All right, then. I think that from a previous session we were told that the number of universes was not countable. Is that correct?

A: Infinite, maybe, but more to the point: variable and selective.

Q: (L) Explain variable and selective, please?

A: For those who know how, universes can be created at will in order to trans-modify reality merge.

Q: (L) What is a reality merge?

A: What does it sound like?

Q: (T) Merging of realities from one universe into another? A creating of a new reality, which is then merged with the old to create a new universe. (L) Maybe it means the realities of different people merge to create a sort of “mutual universe”? Like the idea “you create your own reality”?

A: T is closer; Laura is playing “left field”.

Q: (L) The next question: The C’s, Andromedans and others talk about “densities”. We are supposed to live in third density. Does this number three have anything to do with three space dimensions?

A: Original definition closer to 3rd level of experience, relating material/ethereal spectrum, but denizens of Terra Locator came up with “Third Dimensional” explanation due to influences upon the subconscious mind from soul memory connection to the Akashic record.

Q: (L) Well, I also want to know why you refer to a technological device that supposedly transports someone from one density to another, as a “Trans Dimensional Remolecularizer”?

A: In order to reconstruct 3rd density into 4th density physical, other dimensions must be utilized in the process. Remember, we are talking about exact duplicates, which are merged.

Q: (L) But, a little while ago you said there was a single dimension and many universes, and now you are saying utilizing another dimension, so the terminology is getting to be a little bit confusing… (T) It is like a program loading onto a computer. Some programs just load straight in. Others need to create a space on the hard drive to put files that they need to load the program, but are not part of the program, and when it is finished loading, it erases all the “loading instructions”. The hard drive is still the hard drive, but for a time, the program used a sector of the hard drive, and created a temporary dimension, let’s say. (L) Is this what we are looking at here?

A: Close. And remember, we said “true” dimension!

Q: (L) So, it is like one hard drive, many programs, loading instructions for new programs that are then erased, etc. If there is one “true dimension”, and infinite universes within it, does one particular universe exist, of and by itself, at any given time, until it is merged into a new one, or is there within this one true dimension, multiple universes as real as ours is, to which we could go, and could be there alongside ours, so to speak?

A: Yes to the latter.

Q: (L) And, can infinite numbers of “dimensions” exist within each level of density, even if temporary?

A: Yes. If you want to go back and change “history”, either for individuals or for universal perception, you must first create an alternate universe to do it. Your 4th density STS “friends” have been doing this a lot.

Q: (L) If you, being a general term, create an alternate universe, does the former one continue to exist, or does the former one merge into the new one?

A: Both.

Q: (T) The universe you are in; you are going along and say, “I think I will create a new Universe.” You do it, and move to it, and you bring your universe with you. That is the merging of realities. But, when you move to the new universe, you are no longer in the original one, which continues along on its own. The pattern of the old universe, you bring into the new one, and when you become part of the new universe you have just created, you are no longer part of the old one you just left. It just goes along with everybody else there. (L) Is this correct?

A: Sort of… remember, one can create all ranges of types of alternate possibilities.

Q: (L) So you could create a new universe with a new “past”, even?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in that way, both actually occur and you can change the whole thing?

A: When merged, the former never existed.

Q: (T) Not for the person creating the new universe, but the former will continue for everybody else.

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, for the person creating a new universe, the former never existed, but the other beings who are satisfied with that old universe, and “go” with it, are still continuing along as though…

A: Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area.

Q: (L) If you decide you don’t like your present universe, and you work like crazy to learn how to create a new one, and you do it, do you, essentially, forget that you did this? And why you did this? And forget the other universe?

A: If you wish.

Q: (L) So you can or you can’t… (T) Going by what you just said: “an unhappy universe”, is that because you’re perceiving the universe you are in as being unhappy because that is the way you are and where you are at, in terms of learning, and by creating a new universe, you are simply wishing to change the way the universe is around you, and really it’s not the universe that has a problem, but you…

A: Off track.

Q: (L) So, the universe you are in, is what it is, and you are in it for some reason… (T) You’re in it to learn lessons… just to change the universe because you don’t want to learn the lessons you’ve chosen to learn… (L) Or, you have learned them and thereby can change the universe… (T) When you learn, you just move on automatically, you don’t have to change the universe. The universe will change for you.

A: Deja  vu comes to you compliments of 4th density STS.

Q: (L) Is deja  vu a result of some sensation of the universe having changed?

A: Or… some sensation of reality bridging.

Q: (T) As you move into the new universe, you have leftovers?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is reality bridging?

A: What does it sound like?

Q: (L) Is it somewhat like merging universes? (T) A bridge is something you put between two things…

A: You wish to limit, wait till 4th density, when the word will be obsolete!

Q: (L) That still doesn’t help me to understand deja  vu as a “sensation of reality bridging.” Is deja  vu because something comes into our reality from another?

A: One possibility.

Q: (T) Didn’t we talk about this? That it is a bleed through from other dimensions… that when we think we have been someplace before, it is because in another dimension we have…

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If you are now in a particular universe that has been created and merged by fourth density STS, and there is still the old universe existing, and you feel a connection, or a bridging, because some alternate self is in that alternate universe, living through some experience… or a similar thing?

A: No limits of possibilities.